By Linda Serck
Stuart Epps is a man with a 40-year career in studio engineering and production. With his own studio now set up in Cookham, he shares some of his many rock star stories from the past.
"I'm sure they thought there that I had a lookalike agency.
"I would go in the pub with Noel and Liam Gallagher, Robbie Williams, Mark Owen - they must have thought 'surely these can't be the real people'."
But they were. Cookham's Stuart Epps was running Wheeler End Studios near High Wycombe at the time and would take his artists down to the Brickmaker's Arms down the road.
Stuart Epps in his Cookham studio
"We went in there with Liam one day," Stuart recalls, "he only has to have one glass or two glasses of wine and he gets drunk. He gets extremely loud, swearing all over the place and very lairy but he was very loveable. Always chatty."
Stuart, 56, has enjoyed a successful career as studio engineer and producer for the last 40 years, and sits in his new studio in Cookham recounting this story - one of many of his rock anecdotes.
His work has taken him all over the world, including a stint as Elton John's PA and setting up the world-famous Mill Studios in Maidenhead. But for now he's momentarily transported back to 1999 when Oasis were recording
STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS
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"Liam was just brilliant, I got on with him straight away, he was much more outward and we all had a good time."
Stuart Epps on Liam Gallagher
"Noel had come on his own to the studio. He wasn't particularly friendly - he was okay, just sort of polite. He brought all this incredible equipment down, more than I'd ever seen in my life: 200 guitars.
"Then one afternoon he said 'that's it, it's all coming to an end we have to pack up.'"
It transpired Liam had discovered Noel was at Wheeler End and Noel feared his younger brother would trash the place.
"We just assumed Noel must have told his brother about coming to the studio," says Stuart, "but apparently he was doing this on his own and Liam didn't know anything about it."
A couple of hours later Liam arrived. He walked in and, in contrast to Noel's expectations, was impressed with the psychedelic-looking studio, describing it as being like "Jimi Hendrix's bedroom".
"Elton, 'Reg', was always off the wall, like a Spike Milligan of music really."
Stuart Epps on Elton John
"Liam was just brilliant," says Stuart, "I got on with him straight away, he was much more outward and we all had a good time."
And that's not all. Oasis form but part of a long line of legendary artists Stuart has worked with.
Stuart began his career working working with Dick James - The Beatles music publisher - after leaving school at 15.
One of the song-writers there was a then little-known aspiring artist called Reginald Dwight - later to become Elton John.
Elton John in the 1970s
Stuart and 'Reg' became friends, with Stuart helping the performer recording his early demos. Stuart then started work as an assistant to producer Steve Brown, who formed the DJM label and helped put "Elton's career into shape".
Then, at aged 18, Stuart was asked to be Elton John's personal assistant on his second American tour in 1970.
"I'd never even been to America before," says Stuart. "I'd turned up at the airport with Elton, with the band, to now go on a three-month tour of America so it was pretty crazy stuff."
He remembers: "We didn't have limousines at that time, just normal hire cars and the gigs were 300-seater theatres, so no massive halls or anything.
"It was new to all of us, we were all youngsters in the States and it was an amazing eye-opener, especially for Elton. And Elton really took off, specifically in LA at the Troubadour where people like Bob Dylan came to see him."
And Stuart was at the forefront of witnessing the transformation of Elton John - the singer and piano player who barely talked to the audience - into Elton John the flamboyant star.
"Elton, 'Reg', was always off the wall, like a Spike Milligan of music really," says Stuart.
"He would dress to make you laugh or to impress. He'd come in wearing a Noddy shirt or he'd always wear something outrageous or outlandish.
"He was actually a very shy guy so it was some sort of way of getting over your shyness. If you dress like Father Christmas you're going to get a laugh."
Stuart has worked with Noel Gallagher + Jimmy Page
He adds: "In America he knew that this is the place where he's either going to do or die and make it or not. So his thing was 'I'm just going to get noticed here', even if he falls flat on his face.
"I can remember very specifically the first gig where he just stopped playing the piano and got off up the piano and started banging a tambourine and trying to get the audience clapping along. It was a bit embarrassing to start off with.
"And when he started wearing all those outrageous clothes that was embarrassing as well, but it was all his idea, he just wanted to outrageous and be like all his rock 'n' roll idols."

Stuart then went on to work closely with Elton's producer Gus Dudgeon, helping him build the world famous Mill studios in Cookham in 1974.
"It was an amazing experience," says Stuart. "It was Gus's dream to one day produce the best studio in the world. He bought this old Mill property in Cookham and it was only supposed to take six months to build but it took two years to build.
"Maybe it was his way of keeping sane, but he would keep a record of everything."
Stuart Epps on Bill Wyman
"It was only supposed to cost £200,000. It ended up costing a million pounds, which in 1974 was maybe 10 or £15 million now."
At The Mill Stuart worked with lots of emerging artists, including a young Chris Rea in 1978.
"We'd listened to his demos and very much liked his songs and his voice," says Stuart. "That was one of the first projects we did, an album called Whatever Happened To Benny Santini. There's a song on there called Fool If You Think It's Over, which I was lucky enough to sing on, and that became a big hit."
Also at the Mill Elton John recorded his album Single Man, featuring Song For Guy, and legends such as George Harrison from The Beatles and Bill Wyman from The Rolling Stones would also pop in.
"I worked on and off with Bill Wyman for about 20 years. What's funny about Bill," Stuart reveals, "was that he very fastidious about writing everything down.
"Maybe it was his way of keeping sane, but he would keep a record of everything.
"So when we were working together he would have a pad next to him. Even one day, which was when I thought 'this has gone too far', he picked the phone up and was obviously talking to his wife. Then he went over and wrote over on the book 'wife rang, 2.30pm."
Gus Dudgeon sold The Mill in 1981 to Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page, who kept Stuart on as studio engineer and producer.
"This is where we mixed the last Zep album and Jimmy did the film music to Death Wish 3. Jimmy also had a band called The Firm with Paul Rogers and we did that album.
"He's an amazing producer, quite a shy guy," remembers Stuart. "He played the guitar with a bow and was very inventive with effects. He was very interesting for me to work with."
Having worked at all the aforementioned studios, as well as Abbey Road and Capitol Studios in Hollywood, Stuart has now set up his own studio in Cookham.
He is currently working with new artists such as Claire Toomey and The Blue Bishops, for which The Zombies' Rod Argent came into Stuart's studio to play the keyboards.
Speaking about his 40-year career, Stuart says: "When we were all 18 you kind of thought music was something that you'd grow out of and that it was a young person's game. The mad thing is that everyone's still doing it."
Rod Argent of The Zombies at Stuart's new studio
Stuart is always on the look-out for artists to work with. If you'd like to get in touch with Stuart contact:
The huge posters of Grand Prix scenes and model racing car ornaments displayed around the control room of Studio 2 at The Mill are a dead giveaway as to who is currently resident at this legendary rural Berkshire retreat. It was here that confirmed motor-racing fanatic Chris Rea recorded his first two albums -- Whatever Happened To Benny Santini? and Deltics -- in the late '70s, with engineer Stuart Epps and producer (and former Mill owner) Gus Dudgeon.
Some 14 years later, Rea has not only returned to The Mill, booking Studio 2 for a whole year up to April of this year, but has also renewed his working relationship with Stuart Epps. The first publicly-heard fruit from Rea's ongoing project is the latest album, Espresso Logic. He is now midway through recording a largely orchestral-type soundtrack for a film he is scripting about the Ferrari.
Workaholic Rea's block booking of The Mill has given him so much space to record as and when he wishes that there was already another album's worth of material completed before the November '93 release of Espresso Logic. "I was planning to hand over another album to the record company before Christmas '93, but Espresso Logic would probably still have been in the charts" he says.
Surprisingly, Rea had no initial plans to release Espresso Logic until his label, East West, saw pound signs after hearing a few completed tracks, as he told me: "It was never going to be an album. We finished the European tour in April last year, and we were told by the record company, 'Banana Skin has been very successful, thank you very much, we don't need to see you again for two years.' But I didn't like the idea of that at all, you know. It's like being made redundant. So I started working on writing a film and during the course of that I was writing songs to go with it, because it's something I do. It was only decided in July or August by East West, on hearing some of the tracks, that they'd put it out in the autumn. We already had over 30 complete 4- or 5-minute pieces, but they didn't originally have a purpose. It wasn't like I was getting up in the morning worrying that I hadn't yet written a certain type of song for the album. So we had what we call the Eurovision Song Contest and awarded points for each number. That's how we whittled them down to 10 tracks."
Rea's occasionally sweet, frequently burning slide guitar dominates throughout, but Espresso Logic is also notable for the return to Rea's music of Davy Spillane's evocative Uillean pipes, which played a major part on Rea's 1987 album, Dancing With Strangers. Stuart Epps gave the engineer's perspective of working with these classic sounds: "I was wary because I hadn't recorded Uillean pipes before, but it was quite simple. I just rigged up a U87 about 6-8 inches above his head. It was recorded very quickly -- and what a sound! Chris suggested I have everything ready for Davy so that all he had to do was walk in, play and be recorded. He told me that Davy would give it his all within the first couple of takes, so I had to be on my toes to capture that performance. He moves around quite a bit when he's playing, so in a recording situation you hear some interesting, almost 3D, phasing.
"Chris would normally use his battered pink Strat (which he affectionately calls Pinky) for all the electric slide work. On some of the tracks, Chris simply DI'd into the desk via his effects pedal board, which mainly consists of Boss effects. For the slide sound he generally uses a little distortion and a small amount of delay. Alternatively, we have used two amplifier setups and miked them."
Sure enough, lurking behind the control room door is the Rea gear -- a Fender Pro Reverb combo and a rather old, beaten-up Fender Band Master head and cabinet. "We close-mic each cabinet with a Neumann U87 and also use two B&K ambience mics, about six feet overhead and away from them, to capture a little room ambience," says Epps. "I've found that the DI sound of Chris' slide isn't a lot different to the miked-up version. We try to avoid drowning the guitars and other instruments in effects -- it's not to Chris' taste at all. We rely solely on the limited use of the old faithful Quantec and an EMT echo plate -- and that also goes for the drums."
For years, Rea has blended his now antiquated Linn drum machine with a real kit to provide his percussive thunder. Most of the drum tracks were recorded at Outside Studios in Henley-on-Thames (previously owned by David 'Espresso Logic' (the first two singles from the album) were completed at The Mill. Martin Ditcham's colossal tom sound on Espresso, Epps casually informs, is actually a bass drum!
What were the early sessions like?
"What Chris normally did was to build up a track on his own, using the Linn, then a vocal and some guitars and keyboards, which were normally the Yamaha grand piano, Roland piano and Proteus [for strings]. For most of the tracks, we recorded several versions with different tempos or keys before he was happy. Then the band [Max Middleton, keyboards; Robert Ahwai, rhythm guitar; Martin Ditcham, drums; Sylvan Marc, bass] was brought in, either here at The Mill or at Outside Studios."
Most of the vocals were recorded at The Mill. The only lead vocal done at Outside was on 'Red'.
"That track was recorded more or less completely live, with Chris' simultaneous live vocal," says Epps. "On many occasions, after the basic drum and guitar tracks were recorded, Chris would say 'Right, I'm just gonna bung down a vocal'. Nine times out of 10, that would remain the master vocal.
"We were very pleased with the vocal sound as well. Chris likes simplicity and refrains from using harmonisers, choosing to manually double-track vocals where necessary, and using only a Lexicon 480 and Roland Dimension D chorus. Chris always uses the same mic -- a Neumann U47 -- but he absolutely hates using a pop shield. He always says that he can't bear the idea of singing through ladies' underwear! Psychologically, I think it helps the performer if he can actually see the mic, but it can make the engineer's job a little difficult."
Shortly after 'Julia' was chosen as the trailer single to Espresso Logic, it was quickly realised that there were no new recordings available for the B-side or CD bonus tracks. As Rea insists on indefinitely shelving most tracks which never make it on to an album, there was no option but to record something very quickly. Rea's story about the making of 'Jordan 191' is a testimony to his no-fuss impulsive streak:
"'Jordan 191' happened literally as a result of a phone call at about 3.10pm one day. I was asked 'Have you done the B-side yet?' 'Er, no I haven't!' 'Oh shit! 3.45pm is the deadline 'cause it's being printed at the factory tomorrow.' So I ask how long it'll take to get the biker over, and he says that the biker's on his way already. He'll be here at 3.45! So 'Jordan 191' was literally created and recorded within 15 minutes. I said 'For God's sake Martin, grab a hold of those drums and give me something.' I just picked up my guitar and went for it."
"That was a quick session!" laughs Epps. "Chris tends to put things down fairly quickly anyway -- he doesn't hang around. He doesn't spend weeks and weeks poring over each note and vocal inflection. It's all about what he's feeling at that precise time. On this occasion, though, he just worked even quicker and we had all the machines ready for a quick take, mixing as we went along.
"Chris' B-sides have a very interesting bareness and honesty about them which a lot of people like," says Epps. "They remind me of the demos that he used to play to me when we were working on his early albums. He used to record every instrument himself, including real drums, and they were great. When we'd go to record the master versions, they would obviously benefit from the better technology, arrangements and the best musicians around. But what they wouldn't have was the atmosphere of Chris' original demos. You can say that about a great many artists, I suppose, but it was more acute with Chris. I agree with him that good records are not necessarily about spot-on timing, state-of-the-art technology and all the rest. Those elements are not responsible for creating a mood. It's in the delivery. Tempo fluctuations, for instance, can often add to the atmosphere. It's the old school way of thinking, but for me it works. Personally, I think it was a good few years before Chris was able to prove to people what he was capable of as a recording artist and when he was ultimately given free rein to do what he wanted, it was good!"
One of the most interesting, or at least commercial, results from the recent Mill sessions has to be the Rea-penned 'If I Were You', a vocal collaboration with Elton John which appears on the rocket man's Duets collection. It appears that Stuart Epps triggered the eventual format of this new album when he suggested to Elton's management that Chris Rea might be an interesting vocal partner. Epps explains: "Being close to Elton and his manager, I was aware of the original plan for Elton to simply compile all his existing duet recordings for an album, such as the Kiki Dee and George Michael hits. There was some talk of him recording a couple of new songs and I mentioned that I'd been working with Chris and he might be up for it. His manager said 'Why not ask Chris to write something?'. The day after I told Chris about all this, he came in with this great song and recorded an absolutely brilliant demo. Elton was knocked out and he came over to The Mill to record the track with Chris. I think that, because of the wonderful result, Elton was inspired to seek out other artists and it became an all-new album. Chris and I also worked on Elton's only solo track, the misleadingly-titled 'Duets For One'."
The mixing didn't always go as planned, as Epps reveals: "Something very strange happened at Outside. We'd done a mix and played it back the next day, and it started off OK, then began to speed up very gradually. Obviously, when the mix was happening, something must have slowed down the 2-track machine. If that had been the master mix and the only version, we would have been completely screwed. Fortunately, it had all been logged on to the computer and it was easy to recall. We never did find out how it happened."
Over the years at The Mill, Epps has witnessed some outrageous examples of studio life, as befits the personae of many of the musical giants he has worked with. "There were some strange happenings during the period when Jimmy Page owned the studio." [Page bought The Mill from Gus Dudgeon around 1979 and quickly turned it into a lucrative commercial business.] "I remember working with Paul Rodgers here. In the middle of one night, while we were asleep, Paul was woken by the sound of drums coming from Studio 2. He got up and investigated but there was no one there. Paul wasn't the only person to experience this weirdness. Black crows were also seen flying, kamikaze-style, into windows, and I actually saw the remains of one bird all over the outside of Studio 2's window one morning. Horrible! I suppose that may have had something to do with Jimmy's reported dabblings in the occult. Nothing like that ever happened again after he sold up. Things are very pleasant these days and it's an absolute pleasure to work here."
The inspiration behind the album title originates from an afternoon spent in an Italian espresso bar, watching politicians on TV. "It was interesting to listen to their comments," says Rea. "Because they had nothing in common with the dialogue of the folk in the bar. It had never looked to me as far apart as it did that day. Somebody had mentioned people's logic and I just used poetic licence and said, well it's espresso logic."
Rea's cinematic imagination almost got him carried away with an aborted album introduction. "We originally had a beginning that had a telephone conversation between computer experts, trying to fathom why all their computers had jammed. The only thing they had in common was their insides all smelled of coffee and someone had noticed the coffee was coming from within the computers. No one had actually spilled anything. But it all got a bit long winded and was almost becoming a film script. Then somebody heard the track without dialogue and said the slide guitar, piano, pipes and the Italian bit sounded so nice on its own, why not just leave it? The intro became too much for people to get a hold of. I tested it out on a couple of people I knew and it was about 14 or 15 plays before they understood the intertwining ideas. Bloody typical!"
I asked Rea about his tuning for slide guitar.
"I prefer open 'E' tuning, though I also play in standard tuning now; it's something I wish I'd learned much earlier. Robert Ahwai constantly shows me things I'd never thought of doing in normal tuning and I've learned a lot from playing with him. He's a great guitarist."
Another secret of the distinctive Rea slide sound is his unique choice of bottleneck. "A good bottleneck is critical for good pitch. I've noticed, somewhat painfully, that some players don't always reach the notes they're aiming for and this is often due to the slide itself. I've got a friend called Dave Wilkinson who makes glass bottlenecks up for me. I'm very happy with them and can't find any the same, in terms of gauge, diameter and weight."
Much of Rea's acoustic work was actually achieved with an unusual electric guitar -- a Godin. "We've used it not only for straight acoustic sounds, but also for the very convincing mandolin-like sounds on 'Julia' and 'Summer Love'. Sylvan Marc, the bassist, also used a strange looking instrument -- an upright electric bass which we always DI'd."
Espresso Logic was recorded on 48-track analogue without Dolby (most unusual these days) and mixed down to half-inch tape with Dolby SR at Outside Studios. Amazingly, much of the equipment Rea is currently employing for his Mill project is identical to that used back in 1977, when he first came to the Mill to record Benny Santini and the international hit, 'Fool (If You Think It's Over)'.
Both Rea and Epps are perfectly happy with the results achieved with the old Studio 2 MCI desk. Epps says: "We're even using the same 24-track tape machines. What's interesting is that, for Chris' music, his voice and the sounds he likes to get, this desk is ideally suited and is actually better to work with than SSL or the latest Neve console. There are obvious benefits in working with computerised desks, especially at the mixing stage. Chris likes to mix himself and he does like the automation that's available either at Outside or the main studio here at The Mill. But this setup is ideal for recording. I think it's important not to let technology rule you -- just use what you need and no more."
Epps' musical career began in 1967 as a 15-year old office junior at Dick James Music. He quickly moved up the industry ladder to become Chief Engineer at DJM Studios, then later toured the USA with Elton John as personal assistant. Epps was involved from the start when Elton's producer, Gus Dudgeon, built The Mill on the banks of the Thames, near Maidenhead. It was not long before Dudgeon asked Epps to become Chief Engineer, Studio Manager and Producer. "It was an incredibly exciting time. There was a lot of interest in Quad around that time and the studio was originally going to be a remix suite for Quad with an overdub booth. Back then, Studio 2 wasn't even thought of -- it was still the garage," says Epps.
"Chris Rea's second album, Deltics, was the first album I engineered completely on my own and I suppose my engineering career really took off from there."
Some of Epps' most noteworthy customers include Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, George Harrison, Mick Fleetwood, George Michael, Bill Wyman, Cliff Richard, and the aforementioned Elton John.